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6 Things I Like About the Catholic Church

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Oct. 10th, 2007 | 01:59 pm

[info]galadriel2006 and I have been having small discussions here and there about Catholicism. Many protestants take issue with Catholics, some of whom assume that 1) Catholics are not automatically "saved" (whatever that means) and 2) that the Catholic church is actually shown in the Bible as being the anti-Christ.

I find both assumptions rather silly for protestants to be making considering the state of the "protestant church". I don't know why many evangelicals cannot see it, but the state of the "American church" is in shambles. That is for another post—and frankly I believe that realization must come from a revelation from the Holy Ghost. In order to show [info]galadriel2006 that I am, not, in fact, totally ignorant of the Catholic church, I've decided to do a few blog entries on them, discussing several Catholics beliefs that are both the same as me and different than me. This first one will be on things that I like about the Catholic church.

1) They are pro-life.
Obviously this is important to me. But not only are the Catholics pro-life, they are sometimes single-handedly for life. Without the Catholic wing of the pro-life movement, we'd have a lot of issues. Many of the ladies at Oregon Right to Life, where I worked for a summer internship, are Catholic—and not the wishy-washy Catholic kind either.

2) They are against contraception.

While the feminists may shriek at this, the Catholics give wonderful, spiritual reasoning for this, most of which I agree with. It isn't a blind position, devoid of any reasoning whatsoever. They, like me, see the connection between contraception and abortion. We also understand that marriage was created for family-making, not sex-having. God created sex to be had within the context of marriage, in order to create a strong family unit, as well as a spiritual foundation for the children. Or, in other words, He created sex in marriage, not sex for marriage.

3) The woman follow the order.

There probably are exceptions to this, of course. The Catholic church has done a pretty good job of keeping the order of men and women, at least in the church—households could be another thing altogether. There are no Catholic girl-priests, and I've yet to hear of the women killing themselves because of this doctrine. I also believe that women should not be in authority over men, but the protestant churches either ignore this teaching in the Bible, explain it as "cultural", or, on the other hand, follow the teaching outwardly while the women of the church manipulate their husbands and the leadership in order to have control. Not good.

4) They have reverence in their services.
As a charismatic, I'm not a huge fan of the slowness of the mass. But while I do believe in being free before the Lord, that does not mean that we should lose reverence. Does that make sense? I totally believe that you can shout to the Lord, wave your hands to the Lord, dance before the Lord, and do it with fear and reverence. But many churches, charismatic or otherwise, do not have reverence for God. The Catholics, presumably because of their long tradition and routine of their services, at least keep it reverent. Of course, as with any church, reverence is not all their is, because God looks at our hearts.

5) They are not "once-saved-always-saved".
Well, there you have it. While it seems as if Calvinism is all-the-rage among protestants these days, the Catholics hold to the Biblical teaching of perseverance, though I believe it eventually becomes moot if you rely on purgatory to cover for your sins.

6) They recognize that Mary was blessed.
While obviously they take it to a degree that is extremely uncomfortable to me (see upcoming posts), they see that Mary was special. (This is not to say protestants don't, of course. This is not supposed to be a Catholics vs. Them kind of thing, just things I like about the Catholic church.)

There are actually quite a few Catholic teachings that I either agree with or am, at least in my ignorance, leaning toward. I may discuss those as well.

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Mellita

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from: [info]loveneverfails
date: Oct. 10th, 2007 09:52 pm (UTC)
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I think that you will discover that the overkill on Mary is not actually a theological thing so much as a cultural thing. There are absolutely people who treat Mary like a goddess in her own right, and that has never been theologically acceptable. Mary is not Christ and she would be the first person to reject the idea that a relationship with her does not by necessity involve a relationship with Christ. I love authentic Marian spirituality which shows her wholly in line with what the Church is called to be as bride and mother. I would also point out that there is a difference in what is meant in Jewish thought by "queen of heaven" and what is meant in modern though as "queen." Queens used to be the mother of the king, not his wife. She has no power in her own right, but her acts of profound obedience in submission to the will of God do cooperate directly with salvation happening by offering her own human flesh to become the literal body of Christ. It's not like *poof* there's an embryo in her womb. It's her body that gives the physical matter that becomes the God-Man. I love Marian theology. I'd love to see what your difficulties/objections are. :-)

PS. Purgatory removes the last vestiges of your adherence to sin. You can repent your sins, but still partially hold onto them. Purgatory gets rid of that so that you enter Heaven completely unstained, and to enter heaven anything less than utterly purged of all evil would be an injustice. I may not be standing in the mud, refusing to leave it anymore. I may reject the mud of sin for what it is, but still have mud on my feet that needs to be washed away in a manner that I can't do for myself, or which I may not be fully able to cooperate with in this life.

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Words words words.

Please, read a book.

from: [info]2dumb4politics
date: Oct. 11th, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
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But let us assume, for the moment, that every three-day-old human embryo has a soul worthy of our moral concern. Embryos at this stage occasionally split, becoming separate people (identical twins). Is this a case of one soul splitting into two? Two embryos sometimes fuse into a single individual, called a chimera. You or someone you know may have developed int his way. No doubt theologians are struggling even now to determine what becomes of the extra human soul in such a case.
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Of course, the Church's position on abortion takes no more notice of the details of biology than it does of the reality of human suffering. it has been estimated that 50 percent of all human conceptions end in spontaneous abortion, usually without a woman even realizing that she was pregnant. In fact, 20 percent of all recognized pregnancies end in miscarriage. There is an obvious truth here that cries out for acknowledgment: if God exists, He is the most prolific abortionist of all.

Letter to a Christian Nation

Please, come with me, out of the dark ages.

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Nathan Sheets

Re: Please, read a book.

from: [info]natewillsheets
date: Oct. 11th, 2007 11:45 pm (UTC)
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>>if God exists, He is the most prolific abortionist of all. <<

That made me literally laugh-out-loud. The fact that we can see a difference between an abortionist and God says something. God did not call us to do everything He did, but rather what His Son did. (And even then not everything.)

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Be ambitious.

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from: [info]xxx_yourstruly
date: Oct. 24th, 2007 03:13 pm (UTC)
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We also understand that marriage was created for family-making, not sex-having.

While I agree that marriage was not solely created for the purpose of having sex, I think that being against contraception is a little extreme. Unless the family has unlimited access to money, the more children a family has, the bigger chance the family has of experiencing poverty, especially if the father someday isn't in the picture for some reason. 1/4 families headed by women are in poverty. Overpopulation is a big concern right now, as the earth has limited resources, so I see contraception as a great thing that God has allowed us discover in order to conserve His earth.
Although I disagree with you on some issues, I really respect the fact that you stated that you don't believe homosexuals should be persecuted. I think that shows great compassion and maturity. Thank you. I also saw in your interests that you are pro-immigration, which I also respect.

I would love to discuss some of these issues with you further sometime. Please feel free to contact me if you are interested in a healthy debate. Take care!

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Nathan Sheets

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from: [info]natewillsheets
date: Oct. 25th, 2007 07:45 pm (UTC)
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Hey, thanks for the comment! Stick around!

There's lots in your post to address, but I think I'll clarify to you that in the framing of this particular stance of mine (being against contraception) it is a totally spiritual issue. For instance, if a person is a non-Christian, living with a boyfriend or girlfriend, getting drunk all of the time and, oh, they use condoms, I don't bring up the condoms to them at all. That's because my issue with contraception only applies, really, to married couples who are Christians. It's about trusting God, for me. So I don't go around begging fornicating couples to stop using contraception—that's not the point. :)

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Be ambitious.

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from: [info]xxx_yourstruly
date: Oct. 26th, 2007 03:15 pm (UTC)
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So I don't go around begging fornicating couples to stop using contraception
Oh, I see what you mean now. I just feel that even if a married couple, who are Christians, want to limit the number of children they have, they should be given every right to do so. I think that parenthood should be planned and wanted, because (although I am not married and have never been pregnant) there is nothing worse than being a parent if your heart isn't in it. If you don't mind, I would like to add you to my AOL buddy list so we can chat further. Thanks for replying :) See you around!

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Nathan Sheets

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from: [info]natewillsheets
date: Oct. 26th, 2007 04:16 pm (UTC)
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No problem!

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